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I hope they figure out this man was acting out of PTSD. PTSD he gained after fighting for them. It makes me upset they're blaming all US forces. Because I would gladly like to have my brother back and they can deal it out themselves. It's no better of them to blame all US forces then it is for us to call all of them Taliban. Neither are true.
More evidence that our soldiers have lived through hell and will never be the same. PTSD destroys many people...and soldiers aren't any different. I have several military friends...who have each been deployed...and they have never been the same upon their return. I hope the base is able to take precautions against these types of things happening in the future. NO one deserves to be treated like this.
The shock. The horror. I'm not defending the soldier here, but when you take great pains to create a lean, mean killing machine, why be surprised when it happens?
To put the blame on PTSD is nonsense. Soldiers who have it should know better than to stay there if they know that the kind of thoughts that make them do such a thing exist.
And @FallenSafely - "It's no better of them to blame all US forces then it is for us to call all of them Taliban."
That doesn't make sense either. To compare the entire population of a country to a group of especially-trained individuals.
Vietnam anyone? We really need to get our men and women out of there, as soon as possible. @nov_way - "To put the blame on PTSD is nonsense.
Soldiers who have it should know better than to stay there if they know
that the kind of thoughts that make them do such a thing exist. ..."
What makes you think soldiers have much of a choice? Like they can say... Oh no, this is too much for me, send me home. Many were stop-lossed (not sure if this practice is still going on) meaning they were forced to stay past their contractual obligations. You can't make this a black and white issue, no matter how hard you try.
@misuriver - I'm not trying to do that. But did that soldier really try to get out of there? Yes? No? Don't know?
The point was things have got to change in this world. And not to blame mental diseases on things the way the other two previous bloggers have.
@nov_way - Yeah, if they allowed everyone with PTSD to get out, guess how many people would be claiming to have it? It's not that simple. There are a ton of other factors involved
@nov_way - I can see that. There are times that people jump to that, but you can not deny that being over there will cause PSTD in a large portion of the soldiers that go over there. They can't all leave, and most don't get the chance until their tour is up or they are injured or killed. That's how war works. That and there is still a stigma to PSTD, much like there was when soldiers were "shell-shocked" during WWI. They would be shot by their commanding officers for not doing their duties. Granted we've come a long way from that, but the overall view of it is still a sign of weakness to many. And we all know that soldiers are "not supposed to be weak".
@misuriver - Apparently humans are weak creatures for being more than terminating machines. It's why they have to be completely shredded and rebuilt to be effective soldiers for multiple tours. Unless they weren't fully human to begin with. But that's assuming that the traditional definition of "effective" isn't just a joke. In reality, effective would mean not supporting pansy officers who are themselves too afraid to look weak to their commanding and peer officers. Your penalty for being there is a high risk of death or dismemberment anyway; already worse than execution for honorable disagreement.
What was done to those Afghan people is inhuman. And to claim that it was due to PTSD is so stupid. If you have PTSD then you should be there in the first place. That means it shows that the US armed forces are not really taking care of their own. And now a Massacre! And how would one know if it is not just the work of one man! This is what happens then you invade countries.
@FallenSafely - Your comment doesn't make any sense.
@angys_coco - How doesn't it? Are you confused? Have you ever had PTSD? Okay then. Shut the hell up. If you've never had it, you will never understand what it can lead to. Things you wouldn't normally do.
And if it was the Taliban thing that's confusing you. Here let me clarify. ONE man shoots a bunch of Afghans. Suddenly all US troops should suffer for it. They are all smited. ( I have a brother over there right now, who may be in danger, because they're not happy with US troops and want revenge.)
However we're not allowed to smite Iraqis, or Afghans for the people in their country who blew up our buildings and took thousands of innocent lives. Afghans are blaming the US for this. We didn't blame them for our attacks. We blamed the Taliban. The people RESPONSIBLE.
PTSD is not always easy to catch. It's hidden a lot. I have another family member, who despite having PTSD is still a cop, because they are unaware of his diagnosis. People LIE on psych evals. All the time.
@nov_way - @nov_way - But they're doing the same thing. They are pissed that US troops are over there now. So okay they're calling them all killers? Because ONE man killed. My brother hasn't been allowed to contact us since this went down, because of the safety level put on the base. OUR troops are in danger because of ONE man.
So all us troops are killers and all people who live in the middle east are Taliban.
Neither are true statements.
This is something like the MyLai massacre in Viet Nam, but more complicated, because now the victims tend to be our allies. Before this, we enraged the Paks and Afghanis by burning those Qarans. Before that, we pissed on dead Taliban fighters. It is time to leave.
@FallenSafely - How the hell do you know if I have PTSD or not. I jolly well have. And have been in bomb attacks. So if you don't know me, YOU SHUT the HELL UP. Just don't go to throw your bloody weight around, and try to show off. The US troops shouldn't be there in Afghanistan in the first place. And I don't bother reading your bloody bull shit
@angys_coco - you say bloody a lot.
@angys_coco - You're not reading my stuff... but you clearly attacked my first comment. Right. O and even if you did have PTSD, then you've obviously never had it to the level this man did. Because hopefully you've never gone and shot anyone. So if you didn't walk in his shoes. I'll say it again. SHUT THE HELL UP. I am tired of people spatting shit, about stuff they don't know.
@FallenSafely - if you say that he has been having worse PTSD than me, then he should not have gone on that assignment to Afghanistan in the first place and put the whole country in jeopardy! He should have reached out and seeked counselling and not take a shot gun and kill innocent
CHILDREN AND WOMEN,who are completely innocent in this situation.
SO YOU SHUT THE HELL UP, and stop making excuses for a man who is a murderer!
@angys_coco - Did I ever say he wasn't a murderer? No, no I did not. What I mean by he shouldn't be held responsible is, they shouldn't turn him over to Afghan authorities who will torture him to death. In America he could easily plea insanity. WHICH HE DESERVES. Not that insanity is that great anyway. Being cooped away in a state institution with other criminally ill people. It's not heaven. I've seen these places. They're more locked down then regular prisons.
If this man was in America and had killed innocent women and children, I would STILL understand what he went through and allowed him the same justice as anyone else. Just because he killed Afghans, it doesn't suddenly change my opinion at all. You act like I don't feel for their families as well.
PTSD is NOT that easy to get over. You claim to have it, yet you think it's as simple as "lets screen these guys and hope they tell the truth". There's a lot to loose when expressing PTSD symptoms. You're entire career for example. PTSD causes psychosis. We have no idea what was going through this mans head.
What about the man who did the Amish School Shooting? He was clearly very mental, a killer, but if he hadn't shot himself, a killer who deserved justice. And the Andrea Yates case? Where she drowned her five kids in a bathtub after post partum depression and schizophrenia caused delusions of God telling her to? She is stable now, in a low security psych ward. She may someday walk again. And I'm glad. I can tell you have no idea what it's like to be very seriously sick with a mental illness.
There is NO reason why this man logically would have killed these innocent people. Obviously there was a mental illness at play. He didn't have beefs with them. They didn't hurt someone he loves. There was no logical reasoning. So it was his mental illness.