Someone posted to the effect,
“Regular Marriage and Gay Marriage” are like “Bikini Tops and Bras”. Exactly the same, yet only one is allowed in public.
I had to get my smart-alec comment in, so I said “I know what you mean by this, but the following thought still occurs. I must have missed a class or two in anatomy.”
I have posted on the swimwear versus underwear subject, too. It occurred to me that, in the cases of regular marriage versus same-sex marriage, one can argue that both should be socially accepted, but to argue they are exactly the same is to argue against biology. If you are interested, read my post about different family structures and/or my post about swimwear versus underwear, linked below, and let me know what you think.
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Great job!
If gay marriage is accepted why shouldn’t any and all relationships be accepted. If you’re a bigot for opposing gay marriage, would you not also be a bigot for not accepting any and all relationships?
@ImNotUglyIJustNeedLove - My point exactly.
It occurred to me that, in the cases of whites versus African-Americans, one can argue that both should be socially accepted, but to argue they are exactly the same is to argue against biology.
@Celestial_Teapot - When a same-sex couple can produce a child without using artificial means, that argument might have some logic. Until then, it is just lame.
Beyond my purview.
i really don’t understand how people can compare skin color to sexual preference. geesh!
@lifeontheWink - It’s a well crafted and thought out rhetorical tactic. If gay love becomes a civil right, anyone who opposes it is a law breaking bigot.
That completely discredits and outlaws Christianity.
And discredited law breakers get sued and/or thrown in jail.
It’s shear genius really.
I think what’s being ignored in great part is the fact that social norms, the enforcement of which will always require some degree of judgment, were put in place precisely to regulate biology and biological drives (substitute fleshly or worldly desires at will) which if left unchecked would certainly bring about the demise of any civilization or society. We need to reject the notion that the two are mutually exclusive and bring ourselves to remembrance that the one is in place precisely to protect us from the other. Peace
I agree that they are definitely not exactly the same. To expand upon the comparison, there are plenty of bikini tops that probably shouldn’t be allowed in public, much like some “regular” marriages. I put regular marriages in quotes, because that reminds me of a quote I’ve seen:
“It’s a very dear issue to me, the issue of gay marriage. Or, as I like to call it: ‘marriage.’ You know, because I had lunch this afternoon, not gay lunch. I parked my car; I didn’t gay park it.” – Liz Feldman
I’d never really thought about this. Very interesting.
Another lesson in anatomy. Men and women are biologically different. The Constitution states all *men* are created equal yet at some point Americans decided women should be allowed to vote and allowed to own property. 5 years ago Americans decided women have legal recourse to be paid the same as a man for doing the same job. Women are biologically different than men last I looked and always have been. Justice and Constitutional rights are sometimes long in the making.
I don’t think anyone is arguing gay marriage and heterosexual marriage is exactly the same. I wouldn’t even argue my heterosexual marriage was the same as my next door neighbor’s heterosexual marriage. I wouldn’t have wanted my marriage to be like theirs. They probably didn’t want theirs to be like mine.
@TheSutraDude - Actually, many do argue that gay marriage is exactly the same as “regular”, meaning traditional, marriage. Marriage, for that matter, is just a word invented fairly recently, which has most commonly accepted to refer to the bonding between a man and a woman.. The bonding of a man and a woman, who usually mate for life, has from the beginning of time been largely for the purpose of having and raising children. That is where the biological difference between men and women serve to complement each other. Men cannot produce an egg or give birth, women cannot fertilize their eggs without a man’s sperm. Men most often played the role of protector and provider, women of nurturer. Obviously, the exact relationship between family members varies, because people have different personalities.
It can be argued that same-sex pairing, polygamy or other group living arrangements should be accepted by Society, but they are not the same as a traditional family unit at all. To say otherwise is a lie.
@lonelywanderer2 - I’ve not heard anyone say gay couples can produce children. I think if anyone made that claim we’d both consider the person a wacko.
To equate same-sex marriage with polygamy is also a lie.
Justice Kagan had to point out to a lawyer that couples who marry past the age of 55 are not going to produce children. If procreation was the precedence for marriage many marriages would be disallowed by the government. Some couples don’t want children. Some can’t have children for biological reasons. China regulates who can marry based on an ability to produce children and the Chinese government then decides how many children they can have. I don’t think we should go down that road but that’s just me.
The whole man and woman marrying for life thing is no longer the case and many gay couples stay together for life. I don’t know what the percentage is there but I’d guess it’s probably about the same. Many heterosexual couples choose not to get married and many who do, nearly 50% do not remain married for life.
@TheSutraDude - Thank you for backing up my position. As I stated, it is societal judgment that has changed, not biology, and gay marriage still bears little resemblance to traditional marriage. As for polygamy or other group living arrangements, it is your opinion that the biological sex of the people in a marriage doesn’t matter, but the number of people involved does matter. Others disagree.
@lonelywanderer2 - What I said regarding polygamy is that gay sex doesn’t equate to polygamy. If someone wanted to say some gay people have more than one partner from time to time, fine but so do heterosexual couples. Adultery is not a rare occurrence nor has it ever been.
I agree and never said otherwise that gay marriage is biologically different from heterosexual marriage. However in terms of the desire to make a commitment to a partner and to have the same legal rights like simply being able to visit a partner in a hospital as a family member is the same and bares a strong resemblance to traditional marriage.
I know others disagree with me on this overall matter but if that were the criteria to be judged on more agree with me than do with you, according to polls.
I said, “I know others disagree with me on this overall matter but if that were the criteria to be judged on more agree with me than do with you, according to polls.”
Don’t take that to mean I or others are saying gays are biologically the same as heteros. If you’re finding people who believe gay couples can make babies and debating with them you could probably make better use of your time doing just about anything else. Those people would be anti-science nut cases.